HOLLY SMOKES

[Texas Mobil 219]

Man what a difference. Im bored around here with out skip. So the Family and I went crab'n. They fished and i put an o'l Preditor 10K on my truck and tuned it in.

Now my system is really cranking out the watts according to the RS meter that i have. I would bearly run up over 500 with the 102 whip in place. NOW that puppy swings and runs at 800+.

I got my swrs the same as with the whip 1.1 on the RS meters. ( My new PDC 600 aren't back from the calibration place yet.)
Ill know more when they do.

But the forward gain that i have seen out of the 10k verse's the whip is unbelieveable.

Does anyone have the numbers for the db gain on the 10k verse's the 102'' whip?????????

73s from 219 in Texas

[998]

I just sent the money order out tonight and mine willl be here next week i hope

[Tobashadow]

Hmm that much of a change with the SWR's the same on both ant's.

Something sound's very fishy.

[linx]

How did you gain power by changing the antenna? I could see you gaining some signal RX and TX, but I don't think a meter will show more wattage just from changing out the antenna...unless you have like loose coax connectors or something.

[the_junkie]

How did you gain power by changing the antenna? I could see you gaining some signal RX and TX, but I don't think a meter will show more wattage just from changing out the antenna...unless you have like loose coax connectors or something.

That was my thought Linx

[Texas Mobil 219]

I didn't see anything bad or questionalbe. But i do have more watts going out. I wrote down what my setting were before i change it and it is more forward power going out.. Im going to ask JesseJames if he seen a difference with his.

73s

[linx]

Russ, I'm not trying to make you look bad or anything else, but I just don't see your power going up by changing an antenna, unless like I said, you have a coax problem. Whether you are running a Wilson 1000, SS whip, Pred 10k, Fiberglass whip, etc, they are going to put out the same wattage on the antennas...in fact you could just use a dummy load if you want and it would put the same wattage out on that as well.

Bottom line, you've got some other underlying issue if you're seeing more wattage now vs then and it's not related to the antenna itself.

[Reddog355]

If its on a pickup truck and the coil is close to the cab you may have some reflected power that u would only see with a bird meter makeing your rat shack meter show more watts.Might make ya feel good but if you ever volted it up like that it would probably pop a pill or 2.Then again ,their is a small chance ya did make it better,but thats what it sounds like happened to me.

[Texas Mobil 219]

I dont think the coils are to close to the cab Reddog. I seen a burban yesterday that the coils were about a foot above the roof. Take a look at the pic and if you think there too close let me know.


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I will get my PDC 600 Meters back Monday or Tuesday. Then i will know for sure. And if it is wrong and im mistake. Then i will be the first to admit it.

[PONY EXPRESS]

I just sent the money order out tonight and mine willl be here next week i hope

I hear it got lost by the pony express rider ....

[Reddog355]

Yeah ur right that doesnt look to low.That looks real good to me.I use a 22 inch shaft 10k on my yukon.With a 12 inch i just culdent get it right.I probably could have got away with a 17 but i went 22 anyway.Let us no what your other meter say when ya get.

later Reddog

[Texas Mobil 219]

Sure will Man.

[998]

I just sent the money order out tonight and mine willl be here next week i hope

I hear it got lost by the pony express rider ....

I been robbed by the pony express

[JenBos]

Does anyone have the numbers for the db gain on the 10k verse's the 102'' whip?????????

My guess would be 0.

[the_junkie]

Does anyone have the numbers for the db gain on the 10k verse's the 102'' whip?????????

My guess would be 0.

You sure are negeative...is there any point ot ANY of your posts?

[JenBos]

Does anyone have the numbers for the db gain on the 10k verse's the 102'' whip?????????

My guess would be 0.

You sure are negeative...is there any point ot ANY of your posts?

You sure like to follow me around.

Ok, what kind of db gain would you expect to see on a 10k vs a 102" whip?

Again, my guess would be 0, what about yours?

[the_junkie]

Does anyone have the numbers for the db gain on the 10k verse's the 102'' whip?????????

My guess would be 0.

You sure are negeative...is there any point ot ANY of your posts?

You sure like to follow me around.

Ok, what kind of db gain would you expect to see on a 10k vs a 102" whip?

Again, my guess would be 0, what about yours?

I don't have a guess, but different antennas will put out your signal stronger. So saying that you will not get out any better with a 10k vs. a 102, is saying they are the same antenna. If that was the case, everyone would have a 15 dollar 102. I am no expert, but that is what i woudl have to say. I know my Wilson 2k will hit 7 dbs on swamphog's radio at 2 miles, and my 3 ft truckspec would hit his radio with 1, maybe 2 dbs at the same distance. Both antennas tuned to 1.2 across the board. So what would that gain be?? 5 dbs? I bet that there is a difference between a 1-2 and a 10 k

[Speedy]

I hate to bust your bubble but you should not see any great amount of power change between antenna's. Alot of times when you go from a higher swr setup to a lower swr your power readings will drop. Sounds to me like either your meter went heywire or you have a bad connection at a 259 which could give you great swr and power readings when you really have alot of reflect/swr.

10k's are awesome antennas.

I would suggest you get a hold of a dummy load or atleast swap out some coax just to make sure before you burn something up.

[linx]

I hate to bust your bubble but you should not see any great amount of power change between antenna's. Alot of times when you go from a higher swr setup to a lower swr your power readings will drop. Sounds to me like either your meter went heywire or you have a bad connection at a 259 which could give you great swr and power readings when you really have alot of reflect/swr.

10k's are awesome antennas.

I would suggest you get a hold of a dummy load or atleast swap out some coax just to make sure before you burn something up.

Finally back on topic and someone else agrees with what's really going on!

[Tobashadow]

Ok i had more time and less pain (long story) to think up a good answer for you.


When you are doing your SWR check's you are using dead key, which on most rig's is under 6 watt's.

When your doing the power check you are pushing far far greater.


Now dial in your Swr calibrate and get a good reading on dead key then whisle into the mic and i bet your swr's will go thru the roof on your current setup.

But will be lower on the 102

A good swr meter to trust is a cross-needle. It will show your swr's even at higher wattage to show your relfected power unlike a standard cb style swr meter which is only made to show at dead key.

Check your connection's! All of them including mount.

Had a buddy fry a final in a 29 the other day (hole thru the final blown!) becasue he changed ant and didn't make sure the little plastic spacer on the mount was in good shape and it failed from i'm guessing vibration of road travel and let his ant center lead touch ground.

[JenBos]

Does anyone have the numbers for the db gain on the 10k verse's the 102'' whip?????????

My guess would be 0.

Thats why its called a guess, cause you havent tested it to prove it

Very true, what would your guess be?

I see no way that a 10K could show any db gain over a 102" whip.

As for the guy that said if that were true then everyone would have a cheap 102" whip, well not true at all. The coil type antennas are used to get a shorter antenna height and like everything else in this world there is a trade off there.

[the_junkie]

I hate to bust your bubble but you should not see any great amount of power change between antenna's. Alot of times when you go from a higher swr setup to a lower swr your power readings will drop. Sounds to me like either your meter went heywire or you have a bad connection at a 259 which could give you great swr and power readings when you really have alot of reflect/swr.

10k's are awesome antennas.

I would suggest you get a hold of a dummy load or atleast swap out some coax just to make sure before you burn something up.

Finally back on topic and someone else agrees with what's really going on!

Yea, sorry bout that linx...

[djrebel236]

SwampHog,

u will not get any more Db gain from any other antenna unless its a 108inch whip, pred 10k are nice antennas, so are wilsons, but neither are gonna beat a 102 or 108inch whip...Dj

[JenBos]

SwampHog,

u will not get any more Db gain from any other antenna unless its a 108inch whip, pred 10k are nice antennas, so are wilsons, but neither are gonna beat a 102 or 108inch whip...Dj

Exactly.

[JenBos]

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